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  1. filbertz says:

    We have opportunities to care for each other as never before. Do we have eyes to see or ears to hear? Do we have the heart to step up to the task? We’ve decried the political ‘solution’ for quite a while…are we as Christians willing and ready to be the face of change?

    btw, the wrong kid had to go home yesterday. Tolerating that kind of torment is inexcusable.

  2. Xenia says:

    I appreciate the non-violent demonstrations. They indicate that if some of the more extreme ideas are attempted, there will be resistance.

  3. London says:

    Yes!
    This is it exactly!

  4. Michael says:

    Thank you, London.
    I was hoping I could put some words to the feelings of you and others.

  5. Tracey says:

    I am an immigrant and I came here as a child illegally in 1979. I have known people who were deported. I am a native of Scotland and the illegal aliens I grew up knowing were all British, Irish, Aussie, and Kiwi. I know what it means for people to be economically desperate and look to America as a place to work hard and provide a future for a family. All of the illegal aliens I knew paid income tax, but never claimed refunds, even though they could, because they didn’t want to draw attention to themselves. They were, other than being here illegally, law abiding and productive members of American society. I have recognized since I came here that I was treated differently as an white, English speaking immigrant than my minority and foreign speaking counterparts. This was never more apparent than sitting in the INS for eight hours and watching how the agents, many foreign born, were rude and disrespectful to people speaking English with strong accents and minorities and treating those of us who were closer to the American “ideal” kindly and with respect.

    I am now a legal resident and truly grateful for the opportunities afforded me here. We Christians can have real influence on immigration policy in the US, but we must stop speaking about and treating the strangers among us as second class. No one who has grown up here can really know what he would do if he were to start off in a place where there is little economic opportunity or even safety. Christians can advocate for strong immigration policy without demonizing people, most who just want to work hard and take care of their families.

    Let’s have some compassion. I am not saying let everyone in or even let everyone stay. I’m advocating for treating everyone with dignity and kindness, something that has been obviously lacking during the presidential campaign.

  6. Michael says:

    Thank you, Tracey…

  7. Ms, ODM says:

    Legal immigration only!!! No more lawlessness!!

  8. dusty says:

    joining you all in looking for ladders.

  9. dusty says:

    well done big brother, i know how hard that must have been for you to write.

  10. Tracey says:

    A question I would like to hear more discussion about in my wing of the church is when is it moral and right to break the law? Please do not hear me advocating for illegal immigration, but I think it’s an important aspect that needs to be considered by those who follow Jesus. It is very easy to fall into the trap of judging others from the safety of a middle class American existence and miss the desperation that motivates ordinary people to leave everything they know and come here illegally. It’s easy to fall back on statements about law and order and miss the complexity and often decades it takes to come here the right way. I was part of the amnesty in the 1980s, but I was deemed ineligible because several years before I’d gone back to Britain for three months. Several thousand people were denied the amnesty and it was challenged in court, only finally being settled a few years ago. It took decades. Fortunately, I eventually received my documentation through my husband. I know by expressing these thoughts I run the almost certain risk of being misunderstood, but I am really just crying out to my folks, the Church, to do better. To look at the men outside Home Depot at 6AM and see the Hispanic ladies leaving their kids behind so they can ride public buses for miles to take care of middle and upper middle class children; to understand why my and my friend’s Hispanic students are frightened that Donald Trump is now President-elect Trump. The Church has so much to say and do in this place. We are the hands and feet of our precious Savior.

  11. j2theperson says:

    There is something seriously wrong with public schools when they allow such blatant bullying to take place unchecked within their walls. It sometimes seems like government agents have zero desire to carry out their duties or responsibly hold their office. On a big scale you have sanctuary cities where the members of government are actively promoting and encouraging the breaking if the law. On a small scale you have teachers and administrators unable to maintain even a basic level of control over their students. It’s ridiculous.

  12. London says:

    Tracey,
    I’m not at a good place to type much right now, but I am DEFINITELY interested in that conversation.
    Will join as soon as I can.

  13. Michael says:

    j2,

    Actually this is a good school with very dedicated teachers…as most are in my experience.
    No one can control everything all the time,but they are responding as well as they are able.

  14. Michael says:

    Tracey,

    Thank you again…well said.

  15. dusty says:

    Praying for the fearfull and heartbrocken

  16. John 20:29 says:

    in addition to the obnoxious folk who think they’ve “won,” it troubles me to see people (young) out in the streets throwing tantrums like toddlers – all the angst being expressed is getting to me i guess…let me add a little unwelcome perspective from the “privileged anglo-saxon” side of the coin… grow up folks – maybe these folks in Washington, who now can’t really blame the other side, will do some real problem solving, pray that it’s true – it may hurt a bit – dunno – hope not

    the process to adulthood in our nation and to citizenship must include a study of what this nation is/was intended to be – what built what we have… is there a difference between my presumptive ancestors and those migrating in today? nothing is black and white, of course… we did after all steal everything we have from the native peoples peacefully dwelling in their hogans and tents on this untouched, pristine continent and yet…
    i do wonder if folk today would want the empty desert, the dangers of the warring, offended natives, sod huts for homes and snakes for house pets and privies beyond the snow bank in winter

    my ancestors too, were desperate and Britain and Sweden were anxious to get rid of them – they came legally and orderly (except for the time spent on the Atlantic ocean in the cargo holds of the sailing ships – they were just surplus souls and starving in their homelands – some came as academics with professions, some farmed; my one great great grandfather from Sweden was a shoemaker and i wouldn’t be surprised to learn that one or two came as indentured debtors… they dribbled in over a long period of time, from Colonial days up to the Swedish migration of the 1800s (sturdy, hard working Swedes built as much of our railroads as did anyone else BTW) – many of them worked themselves to death building this nation (yes, they seized an opportunity in time, but a majority did work themselves to death) – did any of them sneak in? i’m sure they would have if they could have – dunno

    do we understand how to steward this land today? this is long (could be a whole lot longer 🙂 ), something tells me that if you’re not over 70 years of age, you’re clueless as to what you’ve got or how tenuous…

  17. Anon says:

    So you don’t like people exercising their First Amendment right to protest?

    Seems to me that for lots of Americans right now, that’s a pretty healthy thing.

    “Grow up, folks”????

  18. Tracey says:

    I have told my teenagers that it’s healthy for people to peacefully protest. There is a lot of anger out there right now and people are going to look for an outlet. Peacefully marching in the streets is a time honored, legal way to do that in the US.

  19. John 20:29 says:

    Anon, yes an adult protests exercising the First Amendment right in a variety of modes… a child yells mindless self righteous slogans, stays up half the night enjoying the event, yelling obscenities and comes in late to work because they were up protesting … so yes, grow up … mob rule is not the exercising of a right, it is the stuff of which lynch mobs were formed not too long ago

    Tracey, you are correct about the anger and the need for an outlet for that emotion – but if we resort to marching in the streets to vent and you get two opposing angry groups marching in the streets, you’re in a dangerous situation

    the nation IS changing and IMV in these times that calls for sober minds, adult thinking…
    we risk being the victims of others who have sober strong minds, but nefarious goals

    we must learn to be wise – we don’t want to blow up the country to get rid of the rats, do we?

    God keep

  20. Anon says:

    Some great advice from a Lutheran pastor on how to act Christlike right now:

    “When a congregational parent of some mixed race kids emailed me the day after the election, I knew it was time for a Christian response to the election of Trump. “It’s a difficult day for Aron and Jordan and their friends of color at middle school,” this parent wrote. “They’re feeling vulnerable and scared today. If you see them at confirmation tonight, I’d appreciate you letting them know that you value them. They could use a little reassurance.”

    That’s all I needed to begin assembling some Christian convictions to share with friends appalled by, or thrilled with, Trump’s victory. Practice the beatitudes of Jesus and you’ll never be tempted to bully. Speak truth to power. Do justice, love kindness, and walk humbly with God. Weak and vulnerable people need our embrace, not our mockery. Let’s welcome the stranger, build bridges of hospitality, and cherish grace. Remember that once you speak a word, it’s impossible to unspeak it. Resist fear. Insist on extending hope to others. Never view yourself as above forgiveness.

    Were our new president to request a personal copy of these admonitions, I’d include one more: “Mr. Trump,” I’d write, “Please look for a new Bible verse to serve as your favorite. ‘An eye for an eye’ just doesn’t cut it. Did you know that Jesus’ whole life was a repudiation of vengeance? Well, the good news is that yours can be too.”

    http://christiancentury.org/article/2016-11/christian-conviction-age-trump

  21. j2theperson says:

    I am glad to hear that, Michael. If there’s one thing that fills me with burning rage it’s bullying at school and nobody doing anything about it.

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