Why “#churchtoo” Is A Passing Fad

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  1. Em says:

    Not off topic, i hope… While there have been a few of them in the past, mostly retired folk, I have recently become aware that a great many U.S. citizens, disillusioned and unable to afford medical care, a home or other necessary services are establishing their permanent homes in Mexico – there are a growing number of “Anerican” colonies of ex pats south of the border…
    So my question is, is it possible that we’ll see a United States without a Mexican border of separation? Possibly all the way to the Panama Canal? A peaceful mutual takeover?
    First the native tribes sat around their campfires wondering what the heck is happening? Now 400 years later maybe we’ll all be doing that…. I think i am doing so already. ?

  2. Em says:

    Veered further off topic than i intended in my previous comment… I think there is a need for more brave men (generic) to stand like the Phoenix Preacher. And there is a crying need for more sound thinking, God fearing folk to stand behind their efforts…. ……. or else, won’t God give us up to the reprobate minds of the religion of convenience?

  3. Michael says:


    The short answer is “no”.
    What we’re about to see is a Mexican government that is leftist and hostile to the U.S.
    China is licking it’s chops…

  4. Captain Kevin says:

    Michael, unfortunately, I think you are correct. 🙁

    Em, did you hear about the couple from Prescott, AZ who were murdered in their new, affordable home in a peaceful neighborhood in Mexico?

  5. The New Victor says:

    Even my proud Mexican ex-laws from Oaxaca aren’t too keen on visiting their former home these days. One of the extended family has been here with his wife and kid for years. He was sending cash back for his dad to build a home. A few locals murdered him and ransacked the home being constructed, thinking he had a lot of money. So the guy and his wife, no green cards, are resigned to stay here, legal or not.

    A new government might change the culture so the new generation of Mexicans view gringos with much distrust, as past generations were educated. It’s too bad. My kids’ school is ~92% Mexican. Tough culture. Even my ex commented the other day that she seemed to get along better with the Asian parents than her own people. I commented that a lot of the parents seemed “tough” and she agreed. Distrust all around. It’s a complicated history between our peoples, between Latin American peoples (Nicaragua is a mess now… again), and within Mexican culture itself. Me? I try to be friendly to everybody, but not everybody wants to be friendly. Ok, so cool and neighborly respect, not violating Christian principles.

  6. Jtk says:

    “The same methods that denominations (and non denominational denominations) use to shield themselves against financial liability shield them from real accountability on anything but a very local level.“

    “accountability on a very local level”

    Isn’t that the way it SHOULD work?

    When I had a recent…kurfuffle, it was the local guys who asked me some hard questions, prayed for me, prayed with me, came around after some hard questions were asked and answered, or remained at a distance.

    I can’t overlook Matthew 18.

    And I sure can’t see how it is applied beyond the local church (or within churches within a city or region). Maybe relational beyond that…

    I still read and participate here, but I don’t see a Watergate led by the press in the wider body of Christ.

  7. Jtk says:

    I met a retired ex pat couple down in mexico when a I went last year.

    The dollar does pretty far…

    The last median income I remember in Mexico was $10,800, while it was $49,000 in the US.

  8. Em says:

    Michael and Captain K, that is what puzzles me. My daughter’s hairdresser and her building contractor husband just bought a beautiful home somewhere in Oaxaca and they’re all excited about retiring there…. they don’t think Mexico is dangerous, rather it is full of gracious, friendly people…. gracious friendly people protected by a corrupted law enforcement and government – IMO

    Today, does it take a belief in God to understand that there IS evil? It seems our corrupted churches make it appear that Christians protect evil….

  9. Michael says:


    Accountability is one of those things that you have to want…sounds like your tribe wants and embraces it, which is good stuff.

  10. Michael says:


    Your daughters friends have a rude awakening coming.
    My friends are selling off all their properties down there while they still can.

    Most of the folks are warm and gracious…and terrified of the ones who aren’t.

  11. Captain Kevin says:

    Posted on FB by a pastor friend:

    “In the Christian life, you can either be an Ambassador or an Immigration Officer.

    An ambassador goes to the culture and people they are sent to, represents their King and their Kingdom, and invites people to participate in their kingdom’s way of life and culture and values by following their King.

    An Immigration Officer waits for people to ask for entry to their kingdom and then inspects their bona fides to see if they’re allowed in to their kingdom by the standards that the immigration officer sets.”

  12. Michael says:


    I like that…a lot…

  13. Linnea says:

    Provocative post, Michael! Can’t help but wade into the US Americans in Mexico/Nicaragua/ etc… comments. Yes, many retiring Americans are living in countries with cheaper healthcare. The problem is, as Michael pointed out, even our retirement incomes are 4X or higher the existing median incomes in those countries, which drives prices higher for houses, food, basic living expenses for the indigenous folks, which drives crime up, not to mention all the cartel activity and the authorities who are beholden to them.

    Then, we haven’t even addressed the relationship of the US with these countries over the last 200 years. On a recent trip to Costa Rica, I was surprised to learn from a Tico (native Costa Rican), that the US tried to capture and enslave native Costa Ricans at some point in past history. While Costa Ricans, in general, are welcoming to US Americans, there is that underlying distrust. Cue the relationship of parishioners (both current and past) with various big name churches, and what I believe is pushing young people out of the church…that inherent distrust of an institution that does not always do what it should. Young people don’t see a need in their lives for a brick and mortar church. And, if there’s anywhere in our culture that we need to live like Jesus, it’s the church. Our young people so desperately need to know God and they are loathe to darken the doorway of an institution they perceive to be greedy, not helping their community, and indistinguishable from the rest of the culture.

    Love CK’s definitions of an ambassador and immigration officer.

  14. Michael says:


    You nailed a whole spectrum there…well done, my friend.

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